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Author: FD
Date: 25/04/06 01:10
Some fantastic shots you've got there, Simon. Mind me asking how
you get your panoramics looking so good? Software stitching always
seems pants when I try it!
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Author: eldridge
Date: 25/04/06 01:16
The usual excellent pix!
BUT
(there's always a but)
It's the written reports (and the superb maps, when included) that
provide context/explanation/anchorage and I have to keep remembering to
come back later to read all about it!
I'd gladly wait a day or two for a simultaneous pictures+report+map post, so I can get the whole story in one visit.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 01:19
I'd gladly wait a day or two for a simultaneous pictures+report+map post
Oh yeah ? Well, the pics do it for me :-) (and I'm too sleepy to do the map now)
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Author: eldridge
Date: 25/04/06 01:44
simonfbarnes wrote:
> report and map posted... zzzzzzzzzzzz
now that's a fast response
cheers simon
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Author: beefy
Date: 25/04/06 07:32
Sorry to but in, but where is this route, I know the area well and have walked past stanage, but never riden, info please!
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Author: MrNice
Date: 25/04/06 08:18
From the report there seem to be a few cheeky bits between
Cutthroat bridge and Stanage Edge. Did you get much aggro from the
walkers? That could have been what the waspish fell runner was
meaning...
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 08:25
Did you get much aggro from the walkers
out of the 50 walkers we passed, one complained, though according to the map, HE wasn't on a right of way either...
Luckily, we only met ONE on the fantastic rocky DH, and he was
obviously a biker because he asked me about my tyres and knew the
brands.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 08:33
t's the written reports (and the superb maps, when included) that provide context/explanation/anchorage
thanks for your kind words :-) I didn't think anyone else actually read my reports ...
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Author: MrNice
Date: 25/04/06 08:39
Sounds like you got lucky :-) I meet a lot of officious types who
get very uppity about bikes on footpaths (though it's usually because
they don't realise they're on a bridleway). It's only some of the
link-ups that are FPs anyway, the good bits like that DH are legal.
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 08:55
Right, am I the one who is going to give you the bollocking? Aside from not being able to spell where you visit…
You are an large, organised club, who takes a big group of riders down
more than a few illegal trails, on a busy Sunday in a sensitive area of
one of our National Parks.
This is an area where real discussions are taking place about banning
4x4’s and trail bikes – how much more of a step is it to ban MTB’s a
well? It has already been suggested a few years ago, and thank fully it
got squashed (I was at the first few Stanage Forum Meetings and managed
to get a word in for the mountain bikers)
I’m not perfect – I have ridden some of those trails, but at night, without too much risk of conflict between trail users.
As an organised club you then advertise the fact and leave evidence, on
a national biking forum and your own website, leaving us all wide open
to criticism. You also lend credence taking this route – there are
already a few above asking for the route and planning to ride it – does
this mean that we have a lot of people then go out and ride this route
next week? (‘the magazine route’ effect).
I find your attitude insensitive to the areas you visit, arrogant to
other trail users and I think you and your club are out of order.
Right, rant over.
Matt
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Author: the-muffin-man
Date: 25/04/06 09:01
Matt, just in case you don't have one handy. Heres a brick wall for you to bang your head against...
...you'll need it by the end of the day, as theres not reasoning with Mr "I'll do what the feck I like" Barnes on this subject.
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Author: JimS
Date: 25/04/06 09:06
"HE wasn't on a right of way either..."
If you are taking a group to ride out of your own area you should at least know the rules.
Walkers can go anywhere on the moor under right to roam, bikers cannot.
Stanage is a high profile area where as a local I would love to ride on
the foot paths but do not as to do so would further worsen the
reputation of mountain bikers in the Peak. Most of your ride was legal
but to avoid too much tarmac you chose to ride along the top of Stanage
which I believe to have been a selfish decision.
In your own backyard footpaths may be legit with local knowledge or at least ride at night or off peak times.
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 09:06
I was thinking the same Muffin-man - i remember some posts earlier
about bogtrotters regarding huge groups and innapropriate routes...
It just shows a complete lack of respect for other trail users and other mountainbikers.
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Author: stever
Date: 25/04/06 09:21
Barnes <---------------------> The Point.
Stanage: one of the jewels in one of the busiest National Parks in the
World. In his defence, I actually think it's right to do the wrong
thing sometimes and maybe antagonise people along the way. It really
depends on the circumstances. This time it was the wrong thing. For
Barnes the simple act of antagonisation seems to be the point.
Next week: Bogtrotters annual picnic at Windsor Castle and the Van Hoogstraten Estate. Put it in your diary folks.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 09:26
as theres not reasoning with Mr "I'll do what the feck I like" Barnes on this subject.
Correct, except, it's not just me - I wasn't leading.
Aside from not being able to spell where you visit…
I took the spelling from the map - it looked wrong to me too.
how much more of a step is it to ban MTB’s a well?
unenforcable and therefore pointless
you should at least know the rules.
I am an anarchist, so I don't care about the rules
so would further worsen the reputation of mountain bikers
tosh
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 09:28
For Barnes the simple act of antagonisation seems to be the point.
actually I do it for fun, the antagonism is just an after-ride bonus :-)
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 09:32
Sorry, I'm talking b*ll*cks. It is. You'd have been the massive group of about 50 riders we saw at the top of it then.
[Reserving comments on the Stanage bit...]
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Author: Ianmunro
Date: 25/04/06 09:36
http://www.bogtrotters.org/rides/2006/23apr/DSC_0172_.jpg
Lovely.
I've forwarded it to the park authorities.
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 09:42
I was hoping for a reasonable adult discussion on the subject, but
I have just read simons response, so im going to take up muffin-mans
wall offer and leave.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 09:43
You'd have been the massive group of about 50 riders we saw at the top of it then.
no, there were 16 of us
I've forwarded it to the park authorities.
Cheers, and I'm the troublemaker ??
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Author: brotherofsteve
Date: 25/04/06 09:47
Well, having read your report and seen your route, I can safely add
your group to the list of mountainbikers who make me ashamed to be one.
Doesn't it occur to you for just one minute that by antagonising people
who have a legitimate right (whether you agree with the law or not) to
be on certain rights of way, you create a bad atmosphere for everyone
else out riding on a busy weekend? I'm not in the slightest bit
surprised that the fell runner you met said "What the **** are you
doing here?" as you cycled up the footpath to Stanage - if I'd seen
you, I'd have had much more to say than that.
For god's sake, grow up, drop all that pathetic "I'm an anarchist" crap
(it's so ridiculous, it's almost laughable), and stop being so bloody
selfish. We all want to carry on riding in the Peaks without getting
the sort of 'welcome' reserved for moto-crossers - and your attitude,
route choices and mob-handed approach are soon going to place us firmly
in that category.
Stanage on a Sunday? Unless you're 13 years old, you should really know better... end of story.
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Author: Wiredchop
Date: 25/04/06 10:00
Have to agree with the general sentiment here. Really not on to
ride stanage footpath considering how busy the area is. I ride that way
quite often and always take care to use the byway or quite spectacular
bridleway down the edge. Political leanings aside, it's always nice to
think of others, the supposed community you belong to and the effect
your actions may have on others.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 10:03
who make me ashamed to be one.
I think we all have far worse things to be ashamed of than this. It really is a storm in a thimble.
drop all that pathetic "I'm an anarchist" crap
I see you find my beliefs offensive, but I shall not change them to please you.
if I'd seen you, I'd have had much more to say than that.
yes, we could have had an entertaining discussion :-)
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Author: brotherofsteve
Date: 25/04/06 10:06
So let me get this straight Simon, you see absolutely nothing wrong
whatsoever in being part of a 16-strong group riding one of the most
popular footpaths in the Peak District on a Sunday afternoon, and then
publicising it with photos and a route map on a national website?
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 10:11
I assume your joking about forwarding that to the Park Authority. Because that would really help, wouldn't it...
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Author: richpips
Date: 25/04/06 10:11
Simon, a mountain bike club that advertises itself here and
elsewhere on the internet surely has some responsibility to the wider
mountain biking community.
I notice quite often your club "introduces others" to the sport, which normally I applaud.
I take it you let all the riders know before they set off that "the
route chosen today will involve sections that are not legal to ride on
a bike, and may well upset other park users." ?
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Author: MikeD
Date: 25/04/06 10:13
I find your attitude insensitive to the areas you visit,
arrogant to other trail users and I think you and your club are out of
order.
Amen.
Actually, what I really think is "What an unbelievable bunch of Grade A
***** but I'm not sure that such sentiments have a place on this forum.
edited by mod 13
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Author: Ianmunro
Date: 25/04/06 10:17
I assume your joking about forwarding that to the Park Authority. Because that would really help, wouldn't it...
I think the way to verify is to send them the image and ask "Have you seen this image before?" :)
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Author: arp
Date: 25/04/06 10:18
fat middle aged men ignore rules and bugger it up for the rest of us.
this holds true for so many things in the modern world.
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Author: Akhenaton
Date: 25/04/06 10:19
I'm torn here. I kind of agree with Simon's viewpoint and adopt a
similar approach to most things in my life, not just riding. Some if
not most of the ROW restrictions in England are ridiculous in the
extreme and should be ignored with the individual making the informed
choice based apon trail conditions and levels of usage by other
parties, not based on some outdated set of regulations dreamed up by a
bored civil servant in some dusty office somewhere in Surrey.
But...its also about being smart. Riding that area at that time with that many people is not smart.
There's nothing 'crappy' about being an anarchist, its just what
responsibility you choose to exert when you reject the rules of the
state.
Great pics, great trails, wrong time, too many riders.
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 10:21
You are IMBA affiliated yes?
From IMBA's Uk consitution....
DRAFT CONSTITUTION OF IMBA UK (June 2004)
1. NAME
1.1 The name of the organisation shall be IMBA UK.
2. MISSION
2.1 To promote environmentally sound and socially responsible mountainbiking.
2.2 To work to create new trails, and keep trails and public access
open for mountainbiking by encouraging responsible riding, supporting
volunteer trailwork and cooperating with other trail user groups, land
managers and public bodies.
3. MEMBERSHIP
3.1 Membership is open to all persons wishing to participate in or support the mission and objectives of IMBA UK.
3.2 An annual membership fee will be decided by the Executive
Committee, with any changes taking place on 1st January. Subscriptions
must be paid by all members, unless specified exceptions have been made
by the Executive Committee.
3.3 Members are required to observe the mission and rules of
IMBA UK at all times. Failure to do so will lead to the cancellation or
refusal of membership.
Righttime to get you lot booted out of IMBA then.
Matt
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 10:23
[]i]IMBA-UK promotes mountain biking in the UK & Ireland, and defends rights of way for MTBs.
IMBA-UK supports environmentally sound and socially responsible mountain biking.
IMBA-UK works to keep trails and public access open for mountain biking by:
* encouraging responsible riding
* supporting volunteer trail work
* cooperating with trail user groups, land managers and public bodies.
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Author: 49er_Jerry
Date: 25/04/06 10:25
When I saw this thread and the first picture I thought great, this will be nice. Pictures of a ride in 'me own back yarde'.
Had a look a the pictures and could believe the arrogant stupidity of
such a large group of riders on the footpath from Stanage to Cutthroat
Bridge. And, what's more, riding a cheeky trail when the ground is
still very soft and will cut up easily. Like others, I have riden the
path, but alone or in pair duing the evening / night.
The path is regularly patrolled by Nat Park Rangers, one of whom I met
whilst on my bike. Naturally, I claimed ignorance of the path status
(luckily, she didn't see the map in my pack) I was instructed to walk
the rest of the path, which out of deference and respect to the Nat
Park I did. At the far end of the path was another ranger, who had been
informed I was up there and had been summonded to check that I had
indeed walked. He was a very friendly man, who is an MTBer himself and
fully sympathised with the ROW and access issues.
Groups like the one headlining this thread are just what give MTBers a
bad name. A large group that could be perceived as threatening, and
using an illegal trail on a busy afternoon, and when the trail is still
wet and boggy.
Simon, I respect your right to do what the heck you like, but please will you and your group grow up and see the bigger picture.
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 10:25
I'd say everybody on here disagrees with the law regarding
footpaths and bridleways. Maybe a Kinder-stylee mass tresspass would be
in order! ;)
It is possibly a little dumb to take a huge group along that route though...
Hang on a minute, I forgot, shame on all of you, you STW PC brigade forum fun killers old mannish conservatives.
Cra*p! I was trying not to join in!
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Author: willyman
Date: 25/04/06 10:31
Fit looking bunch.....
Therefore I doubt it will tarnish the reputaation of 'real' mountain bikers :-)
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Author: geda
Date: 25/04/06 10:37
First rule of cheeky trail riding. You don't talk about cheeky trail riding.
From looking at the age/physique of people in your group :), where you
ride, size of you group I think you should really think of joining
these people. Much more down your street.
{please resist from making personal assaults by using links such as these geda !
Mod 13}
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Author: tlr
Date: 25/04/06 10:44
Its not anarchy, its a just stupid and thoughtless act by people
who clearly don't care about the effects their actions may have on
others.
Some of us live and ride round the Peak all the time, and strengthening
the cause of the Peak Park and Ramblers against bikers doesn't help
anybody.
I doubt the IMBA would ratify the 'group' if they knew what they had done.
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Author: nightfire
Date: 25/04/06 10:48
I agree that simon (or maybe just the bogtrotters on whole) come across as grade A cocks
BUT I am not too happy with Geda's link. Do you think that's funny?
P
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 10:48
you see absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever in being part of a
16-strong group riding one of the most popular footpaths in the Peak
District
correct. ROW law is a ass.
I take it you let all the riders know before they set off
no... the matter doesn't arise
"What an unbelievable bunch of Grade A cocksucking asshat wanktools"
you're entitled to your opinion :-)
fat middle aged men ignore rules and bugger it up for the rest of us.
fat: BMI 22.5
middle aged: I'm past that now
I doubt my being there or taking pictures alters anything
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Author: brotherofsteve
Date: 25/04/06 10:49
Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 24/04/06 00:28
Dave, did no one tell you tarts there's a nice ford to ride through at Watendlath ? The bridge is for walkers...
Surely that's not a 'rule' Simon? ;-)
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Author: MikeD
Date: 25/04/06 10:55
correct. ROW law is a ass.
Now, you see, I fundamentally agree with you here. It's very badly
broken indeed. But if you really cared about doing something about it
you wouldn't be riding highly visible, very popular footpaths in a
National Park in a big group on a spring Sunday. That's just bad PR.
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Author: arp
Date: 25/04/06 10:55
'I doubt my being there or taking pictures alters anything'
seeingg as thos pictures have been emailed to the rangers, and added to the growing pile of anti-bike evidence, I'd say it has.
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Author: geda
Date: 25/04/06 10:59
I am very sorry if you took offence to the link but if it counts
people with asthma as people with disabilities then I think I can take
the p**s out of myself.
I was actually looking for a picture of wooly hats but all they had on the web site were pc "inclusive" pictures.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 11:06
if your anarchists, who organised the ride?
1) I'm the anarchist, not the club
2) IMO anarchism is disregard for the rule of law - not completly random activity
AFAIK most people are anarchists, they just pretend otherwise, or
perhaps think OTHER people should obey the laws, not themselves.
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 11:14
It's been pointed out to me that sending pictures to the Park
Authority could be seen by them as a positive thing for riders to be
doing - kind of self policing.
Makes sense, although I'm not entirely convinced...
Discuss.
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 11:19
Maybe we need to hear from someone else in Bogtrotters? I have
email bogtrotters via their site (unless its Mr Barnes who picks the
email up…) I would presume that not all their members are either in
agreement; aware of; or condone this ride and now simonfbarnes attitude.
I have also emailed IMBA and CTC requesting that they terminate
Bogtrotters membership/affiliation – the Bogtrotters are members of
these organisations, and would clearly have submitted to their
authority and guidelines when joining.
Matt
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Author: Akhenaton
Date: 25/04/06 11:20
Simon, being an 'anarchist' gives a person total control of
themselves and their actions, IMO it's a state of mind that liberates
us from the state. So fair enough you don't recognise the ROW
restrictions in England. But where is your responsibility? Taking a
large group of bikers across a very sensative area on a weekend morning
when loads of walkers are out, smacks to me of a lack of responsibility
which isn't anarchistic at all, its just thoughtless and selfish.
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Author: geda
Date: 25/04/06 11:21
Bogtotters you are messing with my freedom. Are MOTO cross riders Anarchists??
Quote:
Anarchists are anti-authoritarians because they believe that no human
being should dominate another. Anarchists, in L. Susan Brown's words,
"believe in the inherent dignity and worth of the human individual."
[The Politics of Individualism, p. 107] Domination is inherently
degrading and demeaning, since it submerges the will and judgement of
the dominated to the will and judgement of the dominators, thus
destroying the dignity and self-respect that comes only from personal
autonomy. Moreover, domination makes possible and generally leads to
exploitation, which is the root of inequality, poverty, and social
breakdown.
In other words, then, the essence of anarchism (to express it
positively) is free co-operation between equals to maximise their
liberty and individuality.
Co-operation between equals is the key to anti-authoritarianism. By
co-operation we can develop and protect our own intrinsic value as
unique individuals as well as enriching our lives and liberty for "[n]o
individual can recognise his own humanity, and consequently realise it
in his lifetime, if not by recognising it in others and co-operating in
its realisation for others . . . My freedom is the freedom of all since
I am not truly free in thought and in fact, except when my freedom and
my rights are confirmed and approved in the freedom and rights of all
men [and women] who are my equals." [Michael Bakunin, quoted by Errico
Malatesta, Anarchy, p. 30] [/QUOTE]
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 11:22
From Wikipedia:
Anarchism as a political philosophy, is the belief that all forms of
social coercion, such as governments and social hierarchies are
undesireable.
Maybe simonfbarnes should resign from the roles of secretary, treasurer, webmaster and bitch to Adrain'?
Matt
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 11:23
Simon, you really are a **** aren't you?
so I'm told, as if I cared :-)
Simon, I respect your right to do what the heck you like, but please will you and your group grow up and see the bigger picture.
I think we see a different picture. No right was ever won by
conforming, they have to be wrenched unwillingly from those in power.
In any case, life is too short to worry about petty bureaucracy - it's
our country, and we ride it.
If you want to be cross, do it about the massive inhumanity in the world, not minor (possible) misdemeanours
BTW I'm told there is evidence that track was used by pack horses:
I was pointing out to some people on Sunday that all along the top of
that part of Stanage there is a series of water troughs that have been
cut into gritstone slabs - each numbered and with drainage channels cut
to feed them. There is also an old paved section as you get close to
the causeway. To me it looks like evidence that it used to be used
regularly by horses and so may in fact be an old bridleway !
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 11:30
Simon, drop the 'let's wrench the right away from those in power
argument'. You're being a little silly with that one, aren't you? (Or
else you haven't realised that going about it this way isn't the way to
do it...)
Organise a big ride with loads of publicity, if you want to do that.
Seriously. But don't pretend that riding irresponsibly like this is
helping to win any rights from anyone.
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Author: UncleNick
Date: 25/04/06 11:32
I am an anarchist, so I don't care about the rules
No, that's just a convenient excuse to trot out when you can't think of
a valid reason to justify your thoughtless and selfish actions.
You're just selfish about your own rights, while accepting no responsibility for the results of actioning them.
That's not middle-aged, that's merely childish.
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 11:33
matt_outandabout has ratted me out to the club officials, presumably unaware that I am the club secretary...
He's also reported us to the CTC and IMBA so it's smacked wrists all round!
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Author: simonfbarnes
Date: 25/04/06 11:37
From Wikipedia:
Anarchism as a political philosophy, is the belief that all forms of
social coercion, such as governments and social hierarchies are
undesireable.
I think you'll find it means what I want it to mean...
Wikipedia ? Isn't that all made up ?
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Author: tribalchief
Date: 25/04/06 11:42
a true anarchist wouldn't call themselves an anarchist, as they would have transcended all reference points
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 11:43
Its ok Simon, Harvey's phone number and yours are both on the front
page, i did know you were club secretary, hence why i quoted your own
words.
The reason I have gone to IMBA and CTC, is you are too childish to bother with.
If you represent (officially or otherwise) a club that shouts on its
front page about being members of organisations that oppose such
thoughtless and socially irresponsible actions and attitudes, they need
to know. Do you think IMBA and CTC want to lend their support and
credence to such a group? I hope not.
Matt
By the way, do you want the spanking on your bottom or on your (limp) wrist?
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Author: 49er_Jerry
Date: 25/04/06 11:43
I've also informed the Peak National Park in the hope that they can and will take some action against you.
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Author: nbt
Date: 25/04/06 11:44
Thanks Simon. on Thursday I'm off to see the peak park rangers in
my role as local IMBA rep to discuss the future of MTBing in the peak
district
You've just made my job a whole lot easier
*end sarcasm*
and if it's true that bogtrotters are IMBA affiliated I will ask if we
can suspend that affiliation. We may agree on the underlying points
about access laws, but not about the way in which to change them.
there's doing it right and there's being a ****. Gues which way you;re
doing it?
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Author: Akhenaton
Date: 25/04/06 11:49
I think you'll find it means what I want it to mean...
Yes but you need to replace it with something valid, not hide behind a
veneer of activism when it clearly isn't. I've changed my mind, you
aren't an anarchist at all are you? you are just a selfish rider who
adicates any responsibility towards the land, other trail users and the
mountain bike community by claiming to aspire to higher values. Why
sign up to IMBA and CTC if you clearly don't respect their codes of
conduct?
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 11:49
Just like to point out that I didn't mean organise a big footpath ride with a load of publicity!
I think this has all got a bit silly. I don't really think that the
Peak NPA need take action against anybody, although I do agree that the
bogtrotters need to have a serious look at what they're doing (as do
IMBA UK!).
Simon, stop coming up with cr*p arguments about rights, anarchy etc etc etc
The law might be wrong, but so are you.
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 11:51
Hi NBT - I'm curious. How do the park rangers and the park authority currently view mountain biking?
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Author: matt_outandabout
Date: 25/04/06 11:53
Well done mistertom - i appreciate you standing up and bieng counted, as well as admitting thier is a problem.
I dont think it is silly - i am a Peaks local, and have regular contact
with other trail users, some of which are not positive - behaviour like
this just re-enforces thier wrong attitudes and makes life harder for
IMBA and people as they go about negotiating a better future for
mountainbikeing in the Peaks and elsewhere.
Matt
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Author: rjw
Date: 25/04/06 11:58
I think you'll find it means what I want it to mean...
Why don't you refer to yourself as a **** then? You can still think it
means what you want it to mean, everyone else can be happy with it's
accuracy?
You do seem to be going out of your way to do as much as possible to
damage the acceptable face of mountain biking. Are you sure your not an
undercover rambler trying to destroy from within?
{Keep the personal insults out of this please or the thread will get pulled.
Mod 13}
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Author: brotherofsteve
Date: 25/04/06 11:59
Akhenaton - I suspect Simon's brand of anarchism is the type you'd
last have encountered in the playground - the sort 14-year-olds adopt
in that rather sad "I'm just mad, me!!!!" form of attention-seeking.
If Simon's selfish actions didn't have implications for the rest of us, I'd pat him on the head and laugh at him.
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Author: nbt
Date: 25/04/06 12:02
mistertom, not sonehting I can really say 100%, escpecially on a
public forum. mail me off line and I'll try to reply when I get chance.
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Author: weekendworrier
Date: 25/04/06 12:02
Do no other bogtrotters come on here?
were there any who didn't go on the ride who feel it was an inappropriate route?
did anyone go on it who now thinks it was a mistake?
My personal bview is that there are enough resaons for walkers and
landowners to get pee'd off with mtb riders without deliberatly
courting bad publicity by posting pictures/maps of dodgy routes.
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Author: SteveM
Date: 25/04/06 12:03
Chaps, as interesting as this thread is please keep the insults/swearing etc out of it.
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Author: mistertom
Date: 25/04/06 12:06
Matt - I live in Sheffield - see some earlier threads if you want
to see my views on the idiots who ride footpaths in the middle of the
Peak. In addition, my job is indirectly affected to where we can and
can't ride.
I doubt there's a single person on here who has never ridden a
footpath, including those arguing so strongly on this thread. I
certainly have. But I don't think many of those people do so in a huge
group (when I saw Simon's group out above the A57 I wondered what the
f***** was going on, there were so many of you), in such high profile
areas or in areas which are known to be sensitive(!)
Simon, please stop claiming that you're making a valid protest about
rights (as i said, drop that one, you're not kidding anyone). it's
insulting to people like the Kinder protesters and you were clearly out
for a club ride, not to make a poltical statement, so shut up. If you
want to make one, get the park involved, contact the media etc and
organise a big group ride (legally) to highlight the issue. That would
be a great thing to do.
You might fancy yourself as an anarchist. Fine, no problem. Problem with anarchists is that they tend to be mega anti-social...
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